UK Web & Mini Comix Thing 2010

[Thing]

copy of e-mail i just got - doesn't make sense to me as i didn't know watchmen had extreme porn, but its interesting stuff if it has substance, anyone know more?

[clergyman]

Including Killing Joke and Watchmen on the list is ridiculous, but Lost Girls I would imagine is probably going to have problems with this new law.

However as LG is about as arousing as Last of the Summer Wine I reckon even that is ultimately safe.

I am not that familiar with Manga, although surely it would be racist to discriminate against Japanese culture by banning it just because they sometimes exhibit an attitude to school-age children that in the west we find a trifle adventurous?

My belief is that the new law is a stupid piece of freedom-curtailing tyranny, but it's not going to affect comics very much.
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[deathbringer]

They were actually calling the possibility that people could possibly draw pictures with people of indeterminate age having sex as a "loophole" that lets people "get around" the ban on real child porn.

Another desperate kick by a dying regime trying to look like it's doing something about crime, whilst knife-wielding savages rule the streets.
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[Thing]

i just imagined something truly pornographic and extreme. i hope i dont get arrested.

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[Ironholds]

/This is bullshit; you can all hold off writing to your MPs. Comic book images of that sort are not produced (and cannot be assumed to have been produced) to arouse the reader. This makes it 99.9% certain that unless you are represented by your uncle in court (who once saw half an episode of Boston Legal in a bar, and therefore thinks he is qualified to act as counsel) the case will get thrown out.

That is if it even gets that far, which it will not. The Crown Prosecution Service only prosecutes when there is either 1) overwhelming evidence or 2) it is in the 'public interest' that there be a conviction. The principles mentioned above means 'overwhelming evidence' is out of the picture, and I hardly think it is in the public interest to prosecute a load of comic fans.

This is intended to restrict the really, really manky hentai and so on with paedophillic/necrophillic overtones, not to prosecute comic book fans on 'one charge of owning the Ballad of Halo Jones'. You can take your fingers off the email buttons now, people; this isn't intended to harm you lot.

Unless you read hentai involving corpse-fucking or kiddie-fiddling, but to be honest if you do then you should really be locked away somewhere safe rather than browsing the internet.

[deathbringer]

[Ironholds]

Well the idea behind it is that it is 'inappropriate'. Stories about kiddie-fiddling and whatnot are (slightly less) taboo than actual kiddie-fiddling, but still out of bounds. I think it worked through their minds like so:

1)people develop odd fetishes and whatnot due to things they read/see
2)occasionally these nutjobs actually abuse a child and we get stick from the papers about how we should be locking them up.
3)if we remove the opportunity for people to develop into nutjobs we will have less nutjobs and less stick from the press

And there is a loophole; in many cases people develop interest in such activities as a result of what they see/read (I guess it could be a chicken/egg scenario, where they have interests which cause them to read dodgy materials), and the fact that such things are available on the market enforces the idea that it is 'alright'.

[deathbringer]

Well it will be interesting to see if kiddie-fiddling drops in Britain compared to comparable civilised societies where such things remain legal (lolicon etc, not kiddie-fiddling, we'll leave Iran out of this). Personally i still reckon it won't change anything and is just a patently transparent attempt at looking "tough on crime" without confronting real criminals that really mug and stab people all the time.
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[Ironholds]

At least partial agreement there; it is unlikely to do anything major. Still, we'll see what happens.

[deathbringer]

I wish they'd outlaw snow. That'd definitley win votes.

No actually, i wish they'd make a law so that if one business/school closes due to snow they all have to for fairness
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[Ironholds]

That wouldn't make sense, though. Schools should close of the pupils/teachers are unable to get there due to the snow, not because pupils in Aberdeen can't get to theirs.

[Thing]

i think its just another attack at freedom from an evil government. i bet if the internets had been around in nazi Germany we would be argueing about jewish relocation. Its obviously wrong, isn't it. Use your common sense, every step is a step forward in controlling us, sure this seems reasonable, next its ratings for web sites, then licensing, to submit content, then licensing to view then it will be only the bbc able to tell us what we can see. i think we need to encourage our evil government to step down, they are destroying this country and its culture.

good job i dont smoke, banning it and all, ban on beer, ban on talking. ban on the freedom to discriminate as you feel fit? total.

ban on protesting where it counts. ban on being innocent, ban on surface to gvernment building missile systems. surprise surprise.

was it V for Vendetta that blew up parliament, or was it Fawkes? or do we still live with a nightmare government that is not really accountable to anyone?

[Ironholds]

I wouldn't go that far. A concerted plan by the government to destroy our human rights wouldn't start with comic books; as something that affects such a small percentage of the population it is stupid to push laws through like that when in the same amount of time you could push laws through affecting the rest of the population as well.

As it happens we already have limited bans of protesting where you want, but that makes sense given the locations and all. I don't think they will ever ban beer though; too many MPs are alcoholics

[clergyman]

The problem is the current government are reactionary puritans and want to ban pretty much everything except church-going and eating 5 sodding fruit and vegetable portions a day.

Beer is on their agenda to. Barely a week goes by without some edict about happy hours or town centre disorder or the rising cost of liver damage.
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